Thanks, but I had 18 terrains in the sea image in june, and not once had this problem, trees on the other hand are composed of metaballs and maybe there are limits to how much you can squash and re-squash them.....hmmmm.. However, I'm reinstalling Bryce and the patch(means no DTE work) to see if it's just a quirk, I've saved one big tree as an object, and I'll do the whole scene minus the big ones, sheesh, there's a waterfall too...oh well, I'll also try the export method on the terrains.... Layers huh, ok, onionboy, j/k :), I'll try the layers approach too.....:

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