You can draw more bees to the hive with honey than with vinegar. Tim old boy, sure no one means any harm right? Diplomacy is surely not my biggest assets however I do know a pot shot or a cynical remark when I read one. I think the point being made here is to have some manners and be a gentleman about it if at all possible right? I am sure that was your intent even though it may have come across as cynical. I mean I would like to think so any way. It is just strange for me that someone like yourself that is so interested in Vue and Poser has absolutely no gallery it makes me wonder where you keep all your artwork. As dissatisfied as you sound in writing I would deduct that you would have some examples at the very least. Any way I think you maybe getting the point? I hope. Regards, shoop