Philywebrider - "entry level" is not necessarily dumbed down. If the original Poser 4.5 post by Jim is still around, you will see the point that Poser 4 is very much more accessible to the new user than Poser 5. There is very much a use for Poser 4, not reduced or dumbed down, but merely polished up a bit. Also, for anyone using Poser as a source of figures for rendering in other applications, and there are a lot of us, Poser 5 is a sledgehammer for a walnut. It would be shortsighted of CL to ignore this sector of the market, especially when a little polish would improve the usability of Poser 4 enormously. Some of the improvements needed would take as little as one line of code!