Wow, dodger, it is amazing that you seem to think I have a stake in any of this? Let me check... My online store... nope, nothing. Your online store, well I'll be damned, there are things for sale!!!! I have no stake in any of this, until this specific discussion currently numbering 14 posts, I have not participated in the discussion. You however, seem to be a different story. Do not personnaly attack me by specifically referencing me and not the discussion, and do not presume to know what my intents may or may not be. No, I stated a fact of the "conversations" from the last week, which are backed up by the actions of the moderators. However, this decision makes sense - it should be all or nothing whether advertising, even WIP as that is a form of advertising, should be allowed in the forums. And additionally, last time I checked, although Renderosity IS a commune of sorts, it is actually a form of benevolent dictatorship where the mods/owners can mae decisions, the users be damned. This is a statement of fact, as can be evidenced by the periodic whining and sniping that occurs at other sites on the web where former patrons/participants of this site now spend there time. - Ray (not hiding behind cute little pet names)