I'll be honest with ya, that's just good 'ol fan clubs going right there, but I'm not posting to complain about that instance. More power to Doublecrash, he's basically earned the right to get votes for whatever he does. I love his work and he's an awesome person that definitely wouldn't cheat the system. I hope I can someday get to his level of ability! There is a different instance that really has been chapping my ass about the Hot 20 in regards to a couple of images that 'may or may not' still be in there, though. Some of you probably will know which ones I'm referring to, but for the sake of the artist, I won't say exactly what ones. I understand that the Hot 20 is pretty loosely governed and operated, and has a lot to do with the overall popularity of an artist...but there are a couple of images that absolutely have no business being ranked, and as high as they 'are or were' ranked. Some people in here view the Hot 20 as just another feature that's no big deal...but in my mind, and I'm sure a couple of others share this viewpoint with me, my ultimate drive is to create an image that ranks in the top 20. To me, knowing that I was able to create an image that impressed so many folks that I was able to crack the top 20 images in the entire gallery in a specific time period is the ultimate feeling here on Renderosity and really makes me feel like one of the "big dogs" on campus. But when I see images with 8 or 9 votes or more, with even LESS COMMENTS alone on the image, it really makes me wonder if people are abusing the fact that they can use multiple names to vote for their own image. And it's not even an image that should garner a vote in my opinion. I hope I don't ruin all credibility I have gained by stating this complaint. It's just that ocddoug touched on something relating to my frustration, and I finally boiled over. It just hurts sometimes to see crap images rank higher than hell because of a cheater when I, along with many other artists, put hours upon hours into an image just to get to #20 and don't get there. I'm sure there are a few others that share this same feeling too...at least I hope so. Sometimes I do feel like the lone ranger when I voice an opinion. Just my 2 cents, or my 1/8 cent after taxes. MD