And look at the price difference. How many people not sure if >they want to get into this 3D stuff will spend those bucks on >a high-end program? Besides which I venture to guess that Sure, but we were talking about people who are not just now "getting into this 3D stuff", we were talking about those of us who bought Poser 1 and Bryce 1 in the mid 90s and simply can't get the functionality out of them that we now need. >With the proliferation of high speed connections, the web >is increasingly going to be used for publishing more >sophisticated 3d content. At the moment, it's mainly Don't hold your breath for that. It's been tried for years and even with high speed connections, there really isn't much use for 3D "on the web". Now, 3D data embedded into applications that are driven by real time data over high speed network connections is another thing. For instance, you will soon go to the doctor and much of your body will have been scanned and translated into 3 dimensional models for diagnosing and study. But this is something entirely differnt than what Poser does. >But to discount a tool that still works well, just because >its not new The "newness" of a tool is not in question, the modernity of it's features and functionality are. Don't confuse the map for the territory. >Ouch...sorry to be the one to open your eyes; let's look at >galleries and how many pics are in each... You have !!GOT!! to be kidding with this bull$hit! LOL That is the most rediculous thing anyone has said yet. Ok, fine, let's play in your sandbox for a minute. Any Bryce or Poser user can download a character, a pose, and some clothes, push a couple of buttons, render and poop out some "art", then promptly post it to the online image gallery of thier choice. The average Lightwave, Max, Maya, etc user will produce only a fraction of that volume because they are performing far more complex tasks, like setting up advanced particle and dynamics simulations, or modeling a unique character that everyone else isn't using, and creating for it an animation rig of high enough quality that it doesn't fold and crease at all the joints. And then lets not forget that while you were busy pooping out 512 Poser images, the users of the other programs were working on movies, television shows, commercials, product adds, behavioural simulation demonstrations, and all number of other cool things that exist outside of the relatively tiny world of online "art" galleries. >If you can't draw with a 99 cent pencil, you aren't going >to be able to draw with a 10 dollar pencil. I see the point you are trying to make, but it's simply not true. Yoyoma could not produce the same quality of music on a $100 cello from sears, you can't win the Indy 500 with a Ford Focus, Michelangelo would not have created the same art with finger paints, and Final Fantasy could not be made using Poser. You need the right tool for the right job. Look guys, Bryce and Poser are cool, but they don't do everything. That doesn't make anyone bad people for using them, but defending them like they are the holy grail is really rediculous.