Who in this thread has stolen textures, ideas, etc from others? I know I haven't. If for some reason I absolutely have to use a texture that was done by someone else, I ALWAYS properly ask the artist first, or if it's a freebie available for download, I will give full credit in my image explanation. It is quite odd Storm that you took this so personally, where is the proof that we're referring to you? I understand you're a beginner and enjoy these forums, we all do. But to run off and let us all have it about something that basically isn't the topic of this thread is jumping the gun a little bit. I'm not going to dive into personal insults, it isn't worth it. I think the mods in this forum haven't jumped in because it's a valid discussion. I think also, it was worth bringing up...I'm glad Doug did. And Striving had it right...Doug gets in the Hot 20 all the time, he's bringing it up to defend some of the others that have a harder time getting in there, like myself. I appreciate that and thank him to no end. Outside of that, take this for what it's worth but I was a bit upset at Stormy's redirected insults. MD PS...prob losing a couple of fans in my "club"...oh well. :(