Storm also said that he/she is new to the forum and this site. hopefully he/she will learn that in this forum, anything we post as a thread usually isn't any kind of attack on someone or their art (Unless they make it extremely obvious,which has never happened in the one year span of my membership here at renderosity). Anyway, Storm- I hope you weren't too offended by this thread, and I also hope you stick around long enough to experience the learning capabilities of this forum. Even experts learn new things from newbs... :) brholte