Actually I was talking about the AMIGA, which came out after the Vic 20 and 64 (and the 128). I started on Commodore with the VIC 20. It had a "datasette", cassette storage system. It was much more reliable than a standard tape recorder (as was used at the time by APPLE and ATARI) because it used "pulse code modulation" for storing data. It also "verified" a file save by writing to the tape twice (in case the first pass didn't lock in, the second pass might) Slow as molasses though. There was a floppy drive available, but it cost more than the computer! The VIC 20 made learning BASIC extremely simple (much easier than learning it on the Apple II or ATARI) and Commodore was a very friendly company then. They had some cute little programs, including word processors and a primitive spread sheet on a cartridge. The tech manuals for working these things were really bad though. Mostly, you had to do the programming yourself. They changed their attitude after the Commodore 64 came out (they were then battling ATARI-- no contest there) and were a much less friendly company. Customer service was notorious for answering the phone, putting you on hold and then hanging up! Then came the 128, which by then had a floppy drive (the datasette was long gone) and a whopping 128K of memory! There was something called the 128D that started a lot of problems for Commodore and that's when they dropped the whole thing in favor of the AMIGA. The negative attitude of the company for its customers became legendary, even getting an article in a major magazine asking "Why are people loyal to Commodore"? when it treated customers so badly (i.e. raising prices unexpectedly, dropping models without warning, offering no tech support, etc.) The AMIGA was kind of DOS based (used AMIGA DOS), yet had a GUI like MAC (when PCs only had MS-DOS). AMIGAS were marketed badly, only sold in specialty AMIGA stores which were few and far between. It had a programmable stereo synthesizer music chip, color display (16 colors?) and multiple hard drives. It also used multitasking. There was a seperate processor for CPU, Video and I/O function. It had a lot of promise. But it was slower than molasses. I never owned one but had a friend who did. It took about five minutes for the machine to boot up and it was also rather noisy and bulky. They weren't going for looks. The desktop looked rather cheezy (MAC had much better graphics, even though they had not achieved color yet) and no attempt at postscript for type. It took ten minutes to display a fancy color picture that today we expect in less than a second. If there was ever a drive problem you had to fix it with complex programming, no utilities that I recall. But it was a popular machine with some folks. By then, I was into MAC (the LC) and so it goes. The last I heard, years ago, was that a company in Japan had bought the rights and specs from Commodore and was planning to reintroduce the AMIGA with a number of improvements to make it rival MAC and Windows. But that never came about. End of Computer Memory Lane 101