Right, Arcady--I forgot. There were morphs I used that came from rtamesis and a few others-I still have 'that' Vicky in my library. I don't think he's ever said he did his own, but who knows. I agree about Vicky looking like Vicky--but I really think that does have to do with the fact that we haven't pushed it too much and so many of the Caucasian texes look so similar. And--WarriorDL--Polyette is a wonderful compromise. I'm more than pleased to have both--and Polyette isn't possible without Victoria remember. Diane