Yes, Eyecon, MAXers are really tight about that, so pay attention. RR, they're giving out money? That's cool, I just need another HD on my PC... goes off thinkin' about all the people he knows who use... A-HEM! :) As for the other issue, yes, it's in the challenge rules: as happened for the DTE mats, the purpose is to collect a lot of formulas/recipes for original trees :) S-