c'mon now drac... dont feel bad... yes that guys rnder was indeed good (not to mention lighting fast too, man you guys should try C4D its sao amazingly fast! will post a comparative study on that.) but drac you could do it! yup, you have WINGS MAN! wait a minute... he has c4d right? well.... uhm... forget it! you cant beat the guy... or even compare to him (eyecon holds back and hopes that his reverse pyschology would work on dac and inspire him to do the image) eyecon