Actually Judy/P4W and Don/P4M (preferably with better eyes - didn't Questor do some free enhanced eyes?) would be potentially quite useful - get around the problems of P5 clothing that doesn't actually fit the P5 character (no, I'm not joking. I wish I were!). I must admit that much of the time I clothe my characters. Odd I know, but it happens . I'd actually find Don and Judy variants on even simpler bodies potantially useful - just enough mesh on the body for draping cloth to work, and detail only on hands, head, neck, and chest (mayhap the "collar" objects too). So PhilC's lightweight people, or DAZ's "lite" version of Victoria and Mike (there is a light Mike, right?) could be interesting possibilities... Just a random thought to maximise the possibilities (and potential work!). Cheers, Cliff