this is what I think..... I think that this is getting a little crazed here on both sides. If Stormi (and others)can't handle our discussions here in the Bryce forum, then so be it. Nobody here is forcing them to stick around. I hate to make that kind of a statement but lets all face it,,,, there isn't a light at the end of the tunnel for this discussion, and I can;t think of any way to calm down anybodies nerves. As far as those remarks made about certain people (and this entire community) by Stormi on her site..... as much as I (and others) may object, there is really nothing that can be done about them, except legal action. And if you are going to do that, then do it. What I'm suggesting here, is that we all just take a few deep breaths, just forget about anything said, except whatever progress we made in our hot20 discussion, and get on with things. Anybody else agree???? peace, brholte (Benjamin Ross Holte)