If we want to talk abot characters that disappeared off the map, there's plenty of them. Mikey -- which beats the milBoy hands down. The original Beast Master, which is still one very well-designed mesh and whose physique almost suggests a precursor to Mike: I'd still like to see what someone could do with him. The DAZ Businessman and -woman, whose stylistic strangeness has lend itself to a whole bunch of corporate illustration projects I've handled. I'm sure people can think of even more. Guess we forget sometimes it's not always about Vicky.