Shoop, yes I do have the latest version and in sketchup it looks smooth when you make a cylinder and you can even do some tricks to get rid of lines and edged on topos, but when you export the model as 3ds and load it in Vue, the edges/facets still show. With the previous version, I used to get a lot of triangulation( still in version 3 when you look at the model in wireframe mode. Wabe, thanks for the additional explanation. I guess that might be the case. Calls for more messing about with Vue. Thanks guys, Nick