Isn't Photoshop great? One of the thing's i love about and why it is one of my Primary tools is that it offers a myrriad of solutions to any one problem. My main concern in telling Vandalar to create a new doc. was in the supposition that he discovered the problem that multi- layer filtering has on multiplicity of effect, ie; 2x 3x of the same effect overlapping. I wanted to make it as simple as possible because he stated he was a beginner. Am I making sense??? Anyways I'm new to render but not to ps, Key commands are great but how can you get paint under your fingernails that way. Experiment. Great advice in all the replies, all good options.