I made the template easily enough in MM4 but I can't figure out how to get the DAZ M2 default JP's into it. Tried to use a text editor, but That cr2's a bit beyond me at this point. Steve Oh, I ordered Bloodsong's book. I'll catch up to some of you pretty soon. But looking over the threads and tuts its seems a lot of Poser will remain a mystery or is just plain arbitrary.