If you want to do animation you need Cinema 4d XL V7 with poser 4 and the pro pack, so if your running both V7 and upgraded to V8 then i'd get those two poser items........if you just have V8 then i'd risk it and get poser5, reason being at the moment you can only export an obj to import to C4D so in that case you may as well have the dynamic clothing from P5 to use in stills...the pic i've posted is a sample of dynamic clothing rendered in C4d V7, now i cheated and exported the dress imported to P4 and then used the V7 plugin to bring it into C4d but the obj will work just as well it just takes longer to set up the materials...but i think there is a plugin for loading the mtl files for V8 ask in the C4d forum and they'll let you know on that and Reiss studios will be doing a plugin for P5-C4d V8 eventually...As Marianne says (thanks ;o) all the stuff in this image and at my site is modeled in C4d so you'll find the two apps work very well together using the 1000 scaling with .001 to scale back before exporting.......Steve