OK, I think I understand, now. Thank you, everyone! I should have known that it was a Legume creation. :-) Yes, Legume is still at 'Rotica, and is active in the Church of the SugGenius. He was on their radio show not too long ago. praxis22, sorry if my choice of words was poor, I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, no offense intended. Steve, your memory for names is apparently very good! Don Tatro created Creepy Clown several years ago for the Bryce newsgroup. He's now very much alive and well at the alt.bianries.3d.poser newsgroup. "Cult of..." was my own verbage. Creepy has taken on a life of his own, which must be very strange for Don! Remember that "dancing baby" screensaver that was everywhere a few years ago? The running joke is that Creepy is the enemy of the "db," because his goal is "utter pervasiveness." Recognizing the pervasiveness of the db's, Creepy set out to destroy them. He's still doing that to this day. Several anti-Creepy people have rendered the dancing baby's revenge on the Clown, but he keeps coming back. The other thing to know is that Creepy has magical ways of seduction with sexy women, much to the consternation of many men. This is why when many people see a new Creepy render, their only response is "damn clown..." :-) The pony pictures are probably gone because when Legume left this site, he deleted his gallery and most of his postings.