I've just bought a subscription to Computer Arts, do you think they would be more likely to consider my work for publication now I'm paying them money? Oh and not only art mags, did I tell everyone that myself and ttops had an animation on BBC tv, they didn't just show it once, they showed it again on their Mars special too. The programmes producer even said that our animation was better than they get from NASA, so who says Bryce is a low end app? Catlin 8)