PapaBlueMArtin:- Eek, I goofed. Thanks for that info (Wishing Well) as I'd completely missed it - tho to be honest it's not something I'd be likely to look for :) As for Dr Geep, I think he's probably a prime example of the difference between great, useful information (what he generally does, and superbly too!) and the really technical deep soul-searching technical queries that belong (IMHO) in the technical forum. As for the mods - I pity them. Mods and Ops and Sysops and the like the world over are under-valued and attacked from all sides, but the vast majority of them (especially the ones that last more than a week) aren't power-hungfry fiends that want to exercise the power for the hell of it. Most of them want to do the minimum work necessary. If they feel that they have to move/kill a thread (or whatever) then not only is that work (however little) but also preparing for the barrage to come is no small deal. So I suspect that in general that they not to make decisions lightly, or to be biased.