Forum: Poser - OFFICIAL


Subject: Unpopular but it needs to be pointed out (riposte)

_dodger opened this issue on Aug 19, 2003 ยท 75 posts


_dodger posted Wed, 20 August 2003 at 6:06 PM

I don't so much mind Poser Technical questions and Howtos. I myself have posted several howtos (reflection mapping and such) back before I saw the segregative activities hit full effect. But I do want fairness. If the Product Showcase exists as a place to move anything that has anything to do with a work that is going to be or is being sold when posted by the merchant themselves, then yes, I want to see Technical things moved to the technical forum and OT posts moved to the OT forum because that's wha those forums are there for. As to number 3, well, to be honest, it's generally the other way around. I'm usually one of the ones giving the answer, not asking, so that one doen't really apply to me. Though, on that note, we should have a Poser Troubleshooting FAQ, even just as a static document in the backroom, and REALLY PROMINENT links to it, so that when someone does post the inevitable 'I lost my document window' a moderator can kindly point them to the REALLY BLATANT LINK to the FAQ and tell them to see question #1 and quietly delete their post. With some notification that questions that are in the FAQ will be removed, thread and all, that's perfectly fair. I want to see EVERYONE'S works in progress, and I want to be able to show my works in progress whether it be something I can and will sell or not. I don't want my WIPs discriminated against because they will be or may be sold at some point. 5. Do you want to have Off Topic subjects allowed [as in so and so just had a baby, or the weather is nasty here how is it in your area, or does anyone know if a specific member is ill? Again, I don't mind Off Topic posts not being moved if the same even-handed moderation is used for WIPs. Notice I'm not going over 'Merchant WIPs' or 'Product WIPs'... I'm saying WIPs in general because I, for one, do not see a distinction between art based on whether or not it's profitable. 6. Do you want to see Copyright issues that deal with Poser Images? I'd generally rather not see copyright issues. Seeing copyright issues that deal with specific poser images and such -- i.e. 'Key, Ladynimue, I saw your recent picture on a T-shirt at the mall. Are you selling T-shirts of that?' doesn't bother me, but I get rather fed up with the 'Attention everyone who bought Stoner Eyes, it's a ripoff by footballcoach of Evilheart's Demon Eyes' messages. I certainly wish to post special things I've done and awards I've received with my Poser images or creations. One thing I'm seeing as a distinction being made that shouldn't be... If you load up three things you bought, two things that came with Poser, and four things you got in Free Stuff and arrange them to make a picture or simply work out a matching theme for them even, it's art. I'm in no way saying it's not, even though that's been suggested of Poser artists. There have been comparisons between things like arranging painted action figures and taking a polaroid. People have taken offence to this. Thing is, I don't think those are necessarily bad coparisons, either.... but I think that arranging action figures and taking a polaroid counts as art. Making such look good REALLY counts as art. But then there is no way that the tricks I've done with Yoroi (Japanese armour) in making it to look like it has a texture* even around the edges, or the vectoral sculpting that goes into them, or the paint jobs I've given such, or the accessories I've built to go along with by any means are any less art because I'm going to sell it. Announcements of sales, ads specifically geared towards selling a specific product (i.e., Buy this ray gun now at my store), and so on belong in the Product Showcase forum. Thing like what several of us were doing by giving sneak peeks of M3 that everyone kinda wanted to see (even people who complained in many cases) and at the same time being able to show off what we were creating -- NOT tout our wares (which weren't even wares yet, and in my case is still at the 'almost there' stage) -- not only shold be allowed here, they belong here. Frankly, WIPs do not belong in the Product Showcase forum because it's for things that are for sale not things that people are making. I don't even know what you mean by the online lectures thing, so I doubt if t concerns me much. I've never even noticed any moderator gallery picks of the week, nor do I know what those are, so I doubt if, at least in my case as repreentative, they're very effective, whatever hey are. Of course I want to know what Poser Free items are available, though I think Renderosity is shooting itself in the foot by segeregating those from themarketplace, as they [free stuff] are the biggest draw of this website. I do not believe that a price tag of $0.00 in any way distinguishes a different level of commerciality than a price tag of $0.01 or or $1.00 or $10.00 or $100.00. Even if a person id giving something away completely out of the goodness of their heart (and many aren't -- some have ads on their sites, some use them to draw attention to their not-free-stuff, and some simply provide them as support items for their not-free-stuff, requiring the merchandise first), they're still being commercial, drawing (intentionally or not) traffic and attention away from other things, and so on. Zero-dollar-stuff is the same as any other merchandise, just with a lower price tag and no guaranty at all. I'd like to see the Poser forum generally deal with Poser stuff. Works in progress (merchandise or not), links to tuts, and so on are all fair game as far as I'm concerned, but as soon as anyone starts discriminating against any portion thereof then such segeregation and discrimination should be applied evenly and fairly across the board. Some people hate to see anything that might someday be be for sale. Some people hate to see any technical questions. Some people hate to see copyright violation notices. Some people hate to see fluffy toonimals and sad attampts at humour. Some people hate to see nudity. Some people don't want to see violence. Some peole don't want to see TV related stuff. Some people don't want to see movie stuff. SOme people don't want to see the blood sweat and tears someone has put into creating the virtual representation of their pouty-lipped simpering dream girl. As soon as a coalition is formed to relegate any of these things to smoe backwaters of the site, then such segeregation should be applied across the board. ANY subject which enough people don't want to see ('enough' being one of those things for later debates, I suppose) should be relegated to its own little shantytown somewhere on the site, or at the very least this should be done when specific categtories DO in fact already exist.