You know, I remember the P5 wishlist postings, and how everybody (myself included) was anxiously adding things like ray-tracing, collision detection, moving cloth, real hair, etc. etc. And the folks at CL obviously did their damnedest to start on as many of these things as they could before egiSYS pushed them to release the prog. Me, I'd just like to see them take these things to the potential that they would have if they'd had the time and support to. That, and better lighting / volumetrics. :D Alright, so I couldn't resist after all. So sue me. :P Take care; Chas