grins thanks guys! i definately agree on the background..lol this was the 3rd image in the set lol, this also was the only one with hills...that took care of the back right, but the left is still missing something. hope to have some kewl images to post soon, then will work more on this one...lol (the fountain takes forever to render) working on a fish tank scene, a indoors room holding a glowing ruby type stone, and the castle pic now...lol al of which take about 12 hours to test render....lol LOL wonder if my pc would crash if i rendered all three at once? hahahahaha