...if such a WIP is done AS a WIP and not as a marketing ploy (it doesn't take Einstein to figure out the difference), then it's not an ad. Dodger, I won't speculate on your intentions (so please don't take it that way), but that, in a nutshell IS the problem of WIPs being posted in here. If we just use your critera listed above to determine wether it's an 'ad' or not (the only other option is to speculate on their intentions), then there WILL be a ton of new messages here every day (whoever came up with the figure '10' was probably way off base). You see, there's one big difference between the 'advertising' messages (that you feel like are being too heavily scrutinized) and the rest of the 'potentially should be in the technical/OT/hardware/whatever forums' type messages... and that is that there are 1111+ venders (and growing daily) 'just waiting' to post a bunch of 'WIP' images here if they thought they were allowed to. In the end, maybe 80-90% of those (if not higher) would ultimately be to: - build interest in the product - get maximum exposure to the future commercial product - in other words - Advertise the product. ...regardless of how thinly veiled the advertisment was (and I'd submit that it doesn't take an Einstein (or a marketing genious) to figure THAT out ;). Like you, I also have no problem with a WIP forum and that may be the best way to handle this. There may be other ways too, I'm just not comfortable with your segregation/discrimination/singled out/etc. argument, because it doesn't take into account the realities of the differences between the topics that should or shouldn't be allowed here... Sure, I see some threads here that should technically be in other forums, but the number of 'how do I make a MAT file' type threads are pretty managable compared to (what would be) the influx of "this is a WIP, not really advertising, really" type threads that would be added. Just some food for thought.

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