did you know trhere was a Work in Progress Gallery Yup. It's the one I post to most often, since I won't put an unfinished thing intheProduct Showcase or Poser forum. Again, I'm fine with the idea of fair and even speration where all works in progress, price tag or not, will be put in a single loction. And that would get even more of the flooding WIPs out of this forum. Now, there's something else I'm wondering here... this concept spreads beyond just this forum. There are other forums which it's questionable how or what sort of things should go in them along these lines. For instance, There's a Max forum. I make all my stuff in Max. Should I or should I not post things related to the things I'm building in the Max forum? A lot of the time when I make things I'm trying to go for a specific character appearance. Should I or should I not post things related to the character or costume or figure I'm developing to the Character Creators forum? Of course, it should be fine for me to post things that I'm planning on selling here to the Merchants' forum. To claim that merchandise was off topic in the merchants' forum would be silly. Do we make such a silly claim? Finally, there's a Wishing Well forum. Am I allowed to say 'I wish there were samurai armour for Mike 3 -- Oh, wait, here's some!' in there? 2/3 of the posts in there deal with things for sale, after all. Yes, I think a WIP forum would be our best bet. Despite people havng a nagative repsonse to the idea, I do still affirm that deciding whether something is an ad or not being based on whether the person in question plans to sell it eventually is unfair and shows prejudice. If I show a picture of a hamburger, it may make you hungry or revolted, it may make you want a hamburger, and so on. Unless I tell you it's a Wendy's double stack for ninety nine cents, I haven't advertised it because you know nothing about where to buy it, how much it will be, or anything. It may be marketing. I won't deny it can be considered marketing, but advertising is only a subset or marketing, which involves lots of other things like market research ('what kind of things do you al want to see for Mike 3?'), intercorporate activities ('how far have we come in the last year?'), and even creating a public image that people will remember in some way. What? Yeah, every time a merchant posts anything however unrelated in this forum at all they are marketing. Not advertising, but marketing, for better or for worse (and usually for better). Every post I make comes with a link to my artist page with the top three products from my store that I want to sell shown on it. The more of a friend or nuisance I make of myself, the more likely someone is to follow that link and then they might just think 'Oooh, a Robot!' Every time any merchant posts a 'how to do this' or answers a 'how do I do this?' question they are selling themselves with a 'Go see my stuff, I am good at this'. Assuming they are right. Hell, even showing personality in this forum counts as marketing of a sort. Microsoft and Intel want you to think they are family-friendly politically correct companies, so every time you reinstall their crap operating system you get to see people of African descent with their grandchildren, pretty Asian girls looking like corporate higher-ups, and so on and so forth, and that's on purpose not to sell you the crap operating system which you alreadyhave (and presumably, since you're reinstalling for the 47th time, are already fed up with), but to make you think 'gee, they aren't a bunch of friendless, coldhearted cutthroat bigots'. Me, I have a sort of reputation for being like the Harlan Ellison of the Poser world. Unable and unwilling to keep my mouth shut when I feel injustice has occured, unswerving dedication to my art, and an unwillingness to sacrifice quality for sales and speed. An ornery two-fisted loudmouth who's nonetheless good at what he does and gets away with it because of that. Impossible to work with but perfect to drink with as long as you don't mind a little bit of trouble. And far too honest for most people's comfort, which is seen as tactless by half and admirably succinct by the other half. Harlan Ellison, right? Something like that anyway. And even that, though it's not any sort of an intentional construal of myself, is marketing ebcause it creates a persona (be that persona truth or glamour) that people identify with or react to which creates publicity and notice. Saying that a merchant can't do anythg that is in any way marketing in here means you have to ban them from posting.