Thanks dialyn! I found it by searching on magnet. Jackson answered and I followed up with another post. Insomniaworks. Sometimes it takes a day or so to get an answer to something. It's that time zone thing... :) And you are right c hubert. It has changed, and some of the "old-timers" here moved on to RDNA, PoserPros, or 3D Commune. Exactly Caly! Some of the threads can be quite entertaining.