Thank you, I will give this a try. I have had some problems with crashes during exporting figures to objs with magnets attached or multi-groups with the same. My experience had me assuming that the same would happen when I tried to export a figure to an obj with morph targets. Wait that don't make any sense, I have done that before a long time ago, I have forgotten. I don't do much rendering or exporting to other programs for rendering, most all my effort is put into modeling. I got in the habit of not exporting anything with out first, going to the material room and spawning a prop, then exporting the newly created prop to an obj that can be used by a cr2 to avoid crashes not knowing what exactly what I was doing that created the crashes. It was this thinking that had me boxed in. marty-insomniaworks