I think I might have a clue that not all poser nudes are done by horney people -- come on. I never said that, anyway. Some of these awful poser renders you just know are done by guys (and they're not all of women, either), who are doing the quasi-grownup, sexualized version of playing with dolls, or playing with Color Forms (do you know what those are?). Additionally, I admit a personal bias against poser, for several reasons. First, I think that unless the artist has actual talent, poser just always looks like poser and it is ugly in its phoniness. There are unnatural bends at the hip and knee, for one thing, and that doesn't even begin to address skin texture and tone. As someone whose area of concentration in fine art is life drawing, which is drawing the undraped figure, I am sensitive to those issues of phoniness; it also means I'm not necessarily against nudes, so it's not that; but so much of the poser gallery is nothing but a T&A fest, where almost all of the women look like they've had plastic surgery and are strippers. Second, Most of these poser women are just cookie cutter examples of totally unrealistic female bodies that only perpetuate the problem of making women feel inadequate and awful about their bodies. Is poser to fault for eating disorders? No, but it's just one more thing, in a list of things, that portray this ideal that is functionally unattainable for most women. Third, so much poser stuff is just crappy, trite 'art.' Yeah, I know I may get blasted for this, but it's my opinon. If you look at something like this: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=467672&Start=1&Sectionid=1&filter_genre_id=0&BestRanking=Yes You can see that the person really is an artist and that poser is his tool of choice for that kind of work. Or this guy: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=43198&Start=109&Sectionid=1&filter_genre_id=0&MostWanted=Yes He doesn't just do plastic, naked women. Artistically, he is more than a one-note musician. Anyway, it still all goes back to how we were treated in this forum, and were Lisa not to have acted the way she did, I'd have just left it at my original comment in the gallery.