First, if your one of the lucky ones who haven't had problems with P5, congradulations, and remember that a LOT fo us aren't so lucky. Every problem with P5 has been documented here by many different users under many different systems. These problems are real. It's been over a year since P5's release, and major problems still remain. Second, those who have followed P5 from the get-go know that CL admitted to knowingly releaseing a product they knew was very buggy and doing it because they had cash problems. Kupa, the former president of CL admitted that here. Kupa also promised us here that CL would provide free content. CL has gone a long way on fixing these problems, but a number of them remain. We've also never recieved the new content. Marc has said there will be no new content, and gives very little detail on what will be in SR4. Fixing collision detection? Hair room? Neither is mentioned. Third, CL's parent company has declared bankrupcy. Marc says that CL is solvent, but it's just an asset of the parent company. EGISYS doesn't even have it's own website anymore. Creditors and judges will decide what happens now to CL. My understanding is that CL has a very small staff in the U.S. No programmers that I know of. If EGISYS was doing the programming in Germany, and they're going bankrupt, who's going to do the coding on SR4 and P6? Fourth, CL is repackaging P4 as Poser Artist. This is nothing but a rename to get new customers. THere is nothing in this new offering that isn't in P4. It's just a ploy to increase sales. I'm sure that there will be poor newbies out there who buy Poser Artist thinking it's an upgrade or a different product from P4. Since CL doesn't do refunds, they won't get their money back. This goes in line with item 3, no programmers or very short staffed. Fifth, P6 is mentioned in over half of the threads. This is putting the package in front of us, to get us thinking of the next release rather than the crap in this one. This is the old bait-and-switch technique. See the pretty ball, don't look at the piece of dung. Sixth, a number of us asked questions that were not addressed. Questions that were addressed tended to be answered with "too complicated to code", "maybe in P6", and "our partner is doing that". I was very polite, asking that if CL's president made a statement that new content would be provided, why isn't CL going to follow through it's commitment. Of course, CL didn't answer any questions yesterday. Finally, CL is in trouble. Financially and it's reputation had declined tremendously since P5 was released. They had to do something. Marc's coming here was an attempt. If he'd been open and honest, and said he would meet the commitments his company has made, he'd of done a lot better than his pick and choose on the questions, and lightweight answers. I felt like I was watching a presidential news conference. Nothing but spin and mirrors. My apologies to all who get tired of those who've had it with CL's business practices. I was good for the longest time. However, when the CEO of CL comes here and tries to spin, it opens all the wounds again.