"Larry and Steve cared about the program. They may have exercised more than a little wishful thinking, but their goals were our goals." and "I have to disagree with this. I don't know about Larry because he rarely appeared here but I can say it was largely Kupa who told the lies that convinced people to buy P5." It's probably somewhere in between. In business, you sometimes have to do what you're told or whatever you need to do to survive. "Frankly, I don't think CL will produce a P6. I wouldn't bet on an SR4. EGISYS is in bankruptcy. Even if CL does make a P6, would anyone here actually risk buying it?" Um, what if Adobe or Macromedia decided tomorrow that they were going to buy out CL and take a serious run at the 3D market? Could happen. I doubt it, because if Poser needs to be completely rewritten, then all you're really buying with CL is the Poser name, which is unfortunately very near to mud anyway, right now. But things happen, in the world of business. And if a company you respected made a show of developing a good reliable package with Poser 6, would you buy it? Of course you would. And with egiSYS bankrupt and no significant cash flow of CL's own (other than whatever subsistence they can manage with "Poser Artist"), this scenario is what Marc and CL have to hope for and work toward. Hence the talk of putting the nose to the grindstone on P6. And for that reason, I sincerely believe that at this point in time, they really are committed to fixing the problems. "One of our fav program, Bryce, is in a very similar situation as Poser...." Yes, and it has been for awhile. Bryce has stagnated while they claimed to focus on their main products (Corel Draw and Word Perfect, which have also shrivelled up to nothing). Meanwhile, products like Vue and MojoWorld have appeared to cover some of the aspects of where Bryce could have developed... and are doing a better job of it. "Instead of a rebuilding Poser they way they should have, they got desperate because after 3 years everyone who would buy P4PP already did." That's very true. CL never really had that major cash draw that they needed to commit to development and fostering their company. Which is the whole motive for "Poser Artist." Remember that the first year+ of Poser4 sales went into Metacreations' pocket, so CL missed the lucrative launch of the thing. "Personally I believe that DAZ Studio was introduced to early. Businesswise I understand the motive for doing this. Introduce it because P5 is comming out. This way less people will buy it and wait for DS. Smart move? Maybe..." I don't know the details about the current rivalry between the two companies, other than at some point, things seem to have soured between DAZ and Curious Labs. Possibly to do with the proprietary costs CL was charging for "face room" readiness. But I don't know that the announcement was as designed so much to hurt CL as it was to propitiate their own survival. The announcement was made after P5 was already released and the scope of the bugs in it were becoming known. DAZ needed to know that the Poser market they were committed to wasn't going to turn into a pocket industry and dwindle off and die as people get tired of an outdated prog and fed up with a bad upgrade of it. They also wanted to be able to make their products functional in all aspects of a prevailing posing program, and therefore needed access to the code and know that the coding wasn't going to change on them without notice. Announcing DAZ|studio was a survival thing, in a lot of ways. "I sincerely hope CL survive. After all, no matter what, we all owe them a huge debt of gratitude for giving us this maddening, frustrating, but still amazing (and cheap) program. Judging by the amount of time a lot of us spend in here, Poser is a major entertainment factor in our lives, if not more. So, maybe we have a lot to gripe about, but let's at least wish CL all the best." I agree. To be fair, I don't own P5, so I can afford to be a little more forgiving. But I would like to see both CL and DAZ move on to better fortunes.