the water is pretty easy to do, is one of those bolder type terrains, sized to fit in the rings, then the rain map that comes with bryce applied...lol but be warned, the pc's hate it...lol i wish i knew why the jpg was so much less colorful, i even tried playing with the coloring of it, and still, it didn't look as good as the original. Maybe i'll try to get a screen cap and try that way....the save as feature just aint cuttin it with this pic...lol haloedrain, i thought about blending in that gravel at the base of the mountain, but was afraid it would make it look too close, but will try it and see how it looks. I also want to play with the cityscape in the distance on the right a lil more.... i started with cubes, but was too hard to position that far offscreen, so switched to the terrain and edited it to look like skyscrapers. maybe i'll do the city scape in another file, and copy and paste into this pic, to make the positioning easier.. also, the path was to extend back beyond the trees in the foreground, but got cut off with the hilly terrain being higher then it.. thanks for the coments! back to the grindstone Jen