Spit; I wasn't trying to bust your chops; as you said higher up in the thread, you have coded for a living. But a lot of people haven't, and haven't got much of a clue of the plethora of issues. I've had to explain that size issue with an executable too many times before...and how large the source for same can be....as I'm sure you have. And since the interface is XML, I believe, CL could very well be doing just what you suggested..once they get SR4 out the front door. Because the ceo doesn't know about it doesn't mean it isn't happening. If this had been an Q-A session with the actual development team, that would be a very different matter. But Marc is not a code monkey to our knowledge; he's a businessman. I agree that a tweaked out P4 could be a nice revenue source. I don't think that CL is going to tell us everything, anymore than I think that DAZ will.