Let me add my warmest welcomes as well Fran. The Fractal Forum is overflowing with wonderful helpful members who are here to answer any and all of your Fractal questions. Be sure to also check out the Renderosity Fractal Tutorial Area - in fact, Firefly [the moderator of this Forum] just posted an excellent tutorial. Firefly is away due to a family emergency, so if you need any help or have any questions about getting around the Renderosity Site, please feel free to contact myself or any of the other moderators. Looking forward to your first Fractal gallery posting. Sincerely, ladynimue moderator