Im not sure what caused it but I did solve it by running the poser 4 403 updater at curious labs, it reinstalled the export filters I needed, I was using metacreations early updater, So somehow poser 5 sucked up the filters when I updated with poser 5, Then I moved the runtime folder from curious labs back to metactreations because I had alot of folders and stuff there, Not knowing poser 4's export filters had been sucked dry and absorbed by poser 5. they must work in a batch file way together to explain why that happend. So running the poser 4 updater solved the problem, now if I run poser 5 will the filters still be in poser4 if I leave the folder in curious labs? Or will it get again absorbed into poser 5?