Ashlocke- I haven't noticed any improvement in bump mapping, I don't know if the later drivers (which I've downloaded, but never installed) help that or not. I did try the Open GL driver in Max, instead of the Z-Buffer, it seemed to work about the same speed but made the vertex dots smaller, so I turned it off. My machine was state-of-the-art (almost) for about 15 minutes, how fast things change! I do have the P3 500 overclocked to 525, never got the courage to go to the next speed, which is 550. But everything has been very solid at that speed. Incidently, I've never felt that Poser is slow on rendering, but I do think that about Bryce - I think there could be lots of improvement in the code in Bryce.