Staby, that's my own face pose using DAZ's face morphs. and Mesh_Magick, there are morphs to push together the chest in the center... because different muscular builds will result in different types of chests there... I wanted the pecs to be close together for this character. P.S. Mesh_Magick, is it necessary for you to make 6 posts in order to get your point across? you do it in every thread and the ebots get annoying ;)