It's interesting for me to read your post this time, Drac. What the hell happened to YOU? That's the most mature and intelligent thing any member has posted here for a long time! I really enjoy your deep thoughts on this matter... I don't know Clay very well, and although it seems like he's a silly monkey at times, he is a great artist and, check this out : He's a Human! Maybe he had a rough day? I don't care. I'm 27 years old, I've heard people curse before, and I guarantee that by the time my work day is over I am going to say "Fuck" at least 1,000 times. I'm going to start right now. (outloud) I've slandered you before Drac, but believe it or not I love your work and appreciate being able to learn from you. I am not a professional Brycer, but I am a professional artist, and Bryce is just one of my many brushes. In all matters at this Renderosity ultra-sight (grins), I lean toward conservatism only because I don't know any of you personally. I try and keep my comments and critiques respectful, because none of you deserve the ridiculous text-lashing that lives in my (evil) mind. But I think you are right, Drac. Too much buckling, and not enough honesty, will reap no gains. I think we all just need to keep our minds on the ART we are working on, and be as honest and direct about it as possible. If I let my ego get into things, nobody here would like me at all, since it's ridiculously out of control. Thus, my preposterous screen name! Keep typing your mind, your thoughts, Drac, Jimi, everyone. Even Clay should be able to rant and slander people, if he gets too obnoxious he can easily be removed as a moderator. Most of us are big boys and big girls, and anyone who lets simple text ruin their day deserves to be ruined, if you ask me. May you all find water and shade today...