cherokee69, If you perform a search on the Poser Forum for Victoria 3, you will find a bunch of links to a message titled "Preliminary Victoria 3 renders (with Daz's permission)" [12/16/02-12/17/02] and its replies. Follow any of the links and it will take you to the message in the Product Showcase forum, even though the links were found by doing a search in the Poser forum. Why? Because the post was moved from the Poser forum to the Product Showcase forum. If I am remembering correctly, this was the first post related to Victoria 3 or a Victoria 3 product, The practice is not new. It is just happening a lot with the M3 posts, because we are seeing a lot of posts previewing M3 and M3 products. I don't remember the same thing happening with V3. Now, can we all stop beating this dead horse? :)