Drax, You can keep your nasty-grams to yourself. I archived the IM upon receipt and will do so for anything else. Now to the points.... "Once again. I NEVER promoted my products in this thread. " Your very first post mentioned MUSCLEBOUND MIKE! It was in teensy letters, but it was a reminder to all and sundry that *you are the maker of Musclebound Mikes. A whisper calls attention to itself, and what you want (an assumption based upon the way you keep bragging about having advance access to the model) is attention. Enjoy it. We are not blind. We are not stupid. We don't suffer from memory loss. You could have written it backwards and in purple and it still would have bludgeoned us with your advertising prowess... once again. Your images clearly have your logo pasted on them to clearly distinguish your products (you yourself pointed to it). And you have made us excruciatingly aware that this is a product in beta, that you are a DAZ-brokered merchant, and given us everything but the date and price, both of which are out of your control. "This community, and the artwork it generates, and the majority of the products which bring revenue into this site and others are based upon DAZ's Millenium products. They're practically the cornerstone of the entire Poser community." Aren't you being just the weeist bit egocentric? There are other products by other merchants, and other marketplaces, and a great many artists here at Renderosity who don't even use Poser, much less DAZ models. As much as I respect DAZ, I'd never imply that they were the holy grail of Poserdom and font of all which is blessed, and I certainly wouldn't make that sort of claim for the subset of the Millennium models. (Please note the 2 n's... if you are going to sell them, you ought to know how to spell the word.) This community is not based upon the Millennium products. The community formed long before the first Vicky was designed. The vast majority of items for sale or free are not based upon the Millennium products. You may see only muscles and morphs from one particular product line, but what about buildings, animals, props, backgrounds, lights and all the rest of the things which may go into an image... which might not even have a Mike or Vicky, much less a sword? If you stop posting your ads in the Poser Forum, we will stop complaining about the fact that your ads are in the wrong place. Carolly