OK, folks, pzrite had a thought, spoke up, and has now backed off and apologised. No need to hammer him into the ground. We can all make mistakes. I can see his point actually. I've thought the same things many times when I see some of the questions. But if we don't know whether the user is legal/illegal, it's better to give the benefit of the doubt and answer the question politely. Actually, when I first started using poser, I didn't know about Rosity, and for at least a year, I struggled on with the manual. Now, I'm a person who usually STARTS with the manual. I know how all my electronic appliances work because I make a point of reading the dratted things. But the Poser manual? Wah!!! It's like a cross between 'Einstein's Thoughts Before Breakfast' and 'The Book of the Dead'. Spare me! No wonder people ask here. mac