Oh boy! Can't we all just have our opinions without arm-wrassling and name-calling. 'and who is to define what an "essential product" is?' Well asked, rawnrr. I'd say 'essential' covers the company who makes that software that every single person in this forum uses. I take your point about Mike, but I don't have any version of Mike at all, and have no intention of purchasing him. I'm not saying the Mike threads should be booted. I read them myself. Just that they don't apply to the entire community. I reckon a CL thread does. And just to take up another point, it's not so long ago that many people in this community were howling because 'CL doesn't post here, and they don't listen to the users anymore'. Well, now they've posted and nobody likes it? What is THAT about??? mac