damn right catlin. i love edinburgh. nice beer, nice people, nice atmosphere. plus the accent is really rather attractive.... falls into a dreamlike state remembering a really nice barmaid who joined me and my mate for a few bevvies on my last night in ed..... ....anyway where was i? ah yes accents, mine isn't manquian at all. strange really seeing i've lived here all my life. its more a bog standard northern accent. which is rather dull. btw, campbell has gone! yippee!!!! it looks like we are going to have to remove this government in stages. John PS: er... i've forgot what i was going to say here. sorry. PPS: just remembered, do you think greg minds about us hi-jacking his thread?