Well, a glue gun and feathers huh? Dang the fun I have been missing all this time! As a puppeteer and puppet builder, I use a glue gun ALOT! and feathers less frequent, so BRING IT ON! (can I model for ya'll when I'm done?) (I bet thats part of the deal tho eh?) :+] And to pakled, I CAN'T afford AutoCad, I am just a user in my workplace. $3,500 for software is a bit STEEP! (esp on my salary!) I bet the handshake is real cool huh? I can't wait! and the sphere, well no nekked pics of vikki in a temple on a sphere? with mood lighting? (I guess thats the ultimate for newbies to try?) I really appreciate all of your comments and I shall be back with MANY questions, you can bet! and maybe a few pics as well. Thanks all and I really do feel welcomed. (ahh, that warm fuzzy feeling again.... nope just my depends need changed) Dave