Chrome Tiger, Very well put. I'm almost inclined to reverse my opinion and agree with you. I can see the logic of differentiating between a product and a service release, which I hadn't thought on. But in the end, I still believe it should have been left in the poser forum as being of general interest to every Poser user. No matter. It's been moved by a MOD, so that's their decision. I'm not much into name-calling either. I can live with people who disagree with me. It's no big hardship. LOL. cheers to all mac