The response 'I have no use for DAZ|Studio' is a bit misleading. I'm sure a lot of people imagine they have no use for D|S, but the question is 'Will they get it anyway because it's free?' And having got it, (assuming the bloody thing works), will they perhaps decide that it's worth getting a module or two 'just to try'. You see, a new app may not interest a certain sector of poser users... but a new FREE app might just be a different story. That aside, I practically NEVER render anything, other than test renders. But I'm keen to see D|S, because I have a fair idea that rendering is going to be the least of it's capabilities. If, just for starters, it's a windows-based interface that runs poser figures without crashing, I'm already happy. Add to that the fact that rendering (for me) is about 1% of my poser activities, and I can see a lot of possibilites on the horizon. I'm not 'Utah Dreaming' yet. Just interested in competition from a trustworthy source. mac