I think, thip, that Poser has the edge in coming close to photographic-- often-- and yet it's not and we know its not. It's the reality of a dream, and a surreal composition also follows dream flow, especially well in reitnomud's work, so you can suspend disbelief and allow fantasy to have a semi-reality that's more real than life. Photography abruptly reminds you that this is really real-- it's unwelcome in the dream. PC Bos's work-- I really only know it from the examples he posted for his lighting studio-- comes close to this perfect dreamflow as well. Emily