I've just returned from a business trip, on which I've been totally isolated from renderosity. What was the source of this message? Not knowing exactly what's going on here, I feel I must congratulate Drac on one of his most mature, and reasonable "rants" and "rant" is not correct. I've seen a lot of flaming here, but I've also witnessed a lot of thought, concern and respect. Drac accuses 'rosity as being tame, I counter that we're are civil. Most of our discourses occur with calm words and deep thoughts. So many forums are nothing more than an opportunity to display one's knowledge of expletives. I can swear a blue streak at my officers, but if I want change, I have to contribute information. I don't, as I said, know of the context of Clay's statement, and AS is conspicuous by his absence, but I'm willing -- based on past performance -- to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I believe mloates expressed this best. And Boomer, you're correct... we are all friends. (and to you, particularly, stay safe...) NB