" trust me all the" big boys" who Dont hang here at rosity HATE the whole concept of pre rigged figures that everbody else uses and they already have all the open GL textured Previews, etc as well as highend modeling effects and animation " Sure, most of them say they do... However, when the deadline looms, and the project ain't quite on track (a pretty common condition), most of them DO turn to pre-rigged figures. I've seen Poser stuff running on television (and not just Dork) - sure they were rendered in something else (3DS, Maya, whatever), but the mesh is almost instantly recognizable to those who use it a lot. This isn't just Poser stuff, either... Vue d' Esprit, Bryce, you name it - stuff that most of the so-called "big boys" turn their noses up at on the web forums - has a very nasty habit of finding its way into their work, especially if it's just a short job, like TV ads or (as a real life example) the lead-in animation to the History Channel's "Boy's Toys" series from last year. I've seen Bryce and Vue crop up very frequently on the Discovery Channel and Science Channel, since documentaries are notorious for not paying anything near as much for a CG job as the movie houses do. Poser and such reminds me of CG Art's equivalent of a whorehouse or casino: The prominent big-shot citizens will denounce it in long and loud speeches on the Sunday pulpit, yet they'll still show up the next Saturday night, with lust in their hearts and cash at the ready. ;) /P